I'm afraid I might have skewed your results a little -- since I'm a fader, I haven't been shunned, but that's only because they don't know, and I've only been away for a couple of months. Another two months from now and it might be shunning all around.
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Be a part of research about leaving the JWs...
by TerriO inhi guys,.
some of you may remember me, i've been on here before in the past and been about on the exjws forums on and off for about 7 years now.
you've probably also seen me advertising the xjw meet ups in london as well..... :-).
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"why would they be willing to be tortured and killed for a completely fabricated lie?"
Uhm, cult's throughout history have done just that (even killing themselves), because they truly believe, even if they came up with it themselves. Dying for something is not proof it's real.
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Study WT June 2012 - we are living in the days of the 7th head!!!
by Sapphy inwell, it's officailly in print now.
the 10 toes of the statue have no significance.. that was worth going to last summer's covention to find out wasn't it!.
i'm fading and still attend some meetings, so i'm still fluent in current theocrapic pure language, but read this quote from the new wt and see if it doesnt scream freaky deaky cult at you.
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"We got the "Gentiles" that trample the holy city for 42 months. That sounds like a bad thing. Then you got the "two witnesses" that prophecy for 1260 days, that sounds like a good thing."
Okay, but that would mean the first 1260 years would be bad (ending in 654 CE, by JW timing) and the next 1260 years after that would be good -- what evidence do you have of that, or the sudden change in 654?
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Study WT June 2012 - we are living in the days of the 7th head!!!
by Sapphy inwell, it's officailly in print now.
the 10 toes of the statue have no significance.. that was worth going to last summer's covention to find out wasn't it!.
i'm fading and still attend some meetings, so i'm still fluent in current theocrapic pure language, but read this quote from the new wt and see if it doesnt scream freaky deaky cult at you.
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Except the "Day for a year" principle can be (and is) applied to 1260 days -- but there is NO month for a year, or months into days principle. So while you can extrapolate out 1260 years, there is NOTHING to suggest the same would be appropriate for 42 months. And that's why I called you're argument a Strawman: because months are NOT the opposite of days, in no way, shape, or form. You're example was proof of itself, but didn't address the original problem at all.
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Study WT June 2012 - we are living in the days of the 7th head!!!
by Sapphy inwell, it's officailly in print now.
the 10 toes of the statue have no significance.. that was worth going to last summer's covention to find out wasn't it!.
i'm fading and still attend some meetings, so i'm still fluent in current theocrapic pure language, but read this quote from the new wt and see if it doesnt scream freaky deaky cult at you.
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Logical fallacy: Strawman. 10 yard penalty.
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"That's a forged copy... the real one says "Millions now living MAY never die" ."
@Alfred: If you look up those phrases you'll see that even the WT Library gives BOTH as the title at some point in different references, either "Will" or "May." I think it was a talk given over several years and the title changed at some point - but it started as "Will Never Die."
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Study WT June 2012 - we are living in the days of the 7th head!!!
by Sapphy inwell, it's officailly in print now.
the 10 toes of the statue have no significance.. that was worth going to last summer's covention to find out wasn't it!.
i'm fading and still attend some meetings, so i'm still fluent in current theocrapic pure language, but read this quote from the new wt and see if it doesnt scream freaky deaky cult at you.
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There's no reason whatsoever to spell out 1260 days one way and 42 months another way if it's supposed to mean the same thing. The fact that one is specifically 42 months and the other is specifically 1260 days has to have a significance; you can't just say "they're the same thing" without any proof.
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Email from my father in law to his daughter
by elder-schmelder inhere is a email from father in law, to his daughter (my sister in law).
little history about my family.. my wife and i quit going to meetings about 5 years ago.. my sister in law has been df'd for about 10 years - she has 3 kids.. my father in law was an elder for 20 years, and has stepped down about 2 years ago.
(still believes and mostly active).
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"He is our only way of making it alive through what is coming... She needs you and T------ to help her get through the Tribulation.... We can’t change what Jehovah has planned."
That's not "fear of displeasing a loving God," that's good-old-fashioned fear of being annihilated by an exacting and tempermental deity.
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Study WT June 2012 - we are living in the days of the 7th head!!!
by Sapphy inwell, it's officailly in print now.
the 10 toes of the statue have no significance.. that was worth going to last summer's covention to find out wasn't it!.
i'm fading and still attend some meetings, so i'm still fluent in current theocrapic pure language, but read this quote from the new wt and see if it doesnt scream freaky deaky cult at you.
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Don't forget the "day for a year" principle that must be applied: The 2 witnesses will prophesy for 1,260 years, putting the end at 3174 CE. And the 42 months are also 42 months of weeks of years, so 42 x 7 = 294 years, meaning the Holy City will be trampled on until 2208 CE.
Prove me wrong.
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Notes from 2 day assembly - "Thought Control"
by baltar447 inthese notes were sent to me from a close friend who is biding his time to leave.. some of this we have read about already, the demo with the two brothers and the damage control they are doing over the ridiculous generation nonsense, but the thing about "thought control"tm i had not heard before...... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------.
you learn something new every day at the 'sembly.
today at the 'sembly we were educated on the importance of, and i quote, "practicing thought control" .
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Sulla: "I guess that is a pretty odd straw to be breaking backs, is all."
The big difference I see is that before they would always take apart the old belief first, pointing out it's weaknesses, then present the new one -- which always made more relative sense by simple virture of them not pointing out its flaws.
However, this time the old belief actually made some sense (in JW world), and the only reason they're changing it is because their time frame ran out. So now they can't trash the old view as much, which makes the new view actually seem worse be comparison, which hasn't really happened before (not to mention it's the most illogical nonsense they've ever come up with).